My Priest told me it’s not liturgical to receive communion kneeling…it shook me up and now I don’t know what to do…
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The Pros and Cons of the Tridentine Mass
Last Sunday, my wife and I were invited to come to a Tridentine “Low” Mass. My wife asked me what it was and, shamefully I was embarrassed to…
This post has some serious factual problems.
First, the Traditional Latin Mass was never prohibited after Vatican II. The importance of Summorum Pontificum was to create a legal bulwark against the cultural war against the Mass of Ages, not to reverse a TLM ban.
Second, the article falls into the trap of primitivism, reducing liturgical tradition to “we’re following an older rubric now than we used to.” It’s also flat out inaccurate to say that the Novus Ordo is a “more accurate mass.” Also that phrase is ridiculous. And that claim ignores the reality of why those who pushed for changes to the liturgy wanted them. It didn’t have anything to do with “historical accuracy.”
Third, it misrepresents the situation with the Friars of the Immaculate Conception.
Fourth, it takes a very shallow view of the importance of liturgical language and what participation means.
Fifth, it propagates and approves the seriously deficient notion that abrogating our ancient liturgical history is the only way to solve liturgically-centered “division” in the Church.
I’m very glad the author enjoyed his Low Mass experience, but the article needed a thorough fact check.
RorateCaeli touched off a firestorm when they recently quoted from a Czech bishop who claimed that Pope Francis said young people get into the Tridentine Latin Mass because it seems like a “fashionable” thing to do.
Is that true? Well, I wasn’t there, so I have no idea what specific question the bishop asked, and whether the Pope actually answered in that manner. I highly doubt that the Pope is being quoted correctly and in the proper context of what he meant.
Now, there are hurt feelings from traditional Catholics. The complaint from Latin Mass loving Catholics is that, “I can’t believe the Pope would be SO disrespectful of our love for the Extraordinary Form Mass. Francis is TOTALLY contradicting Benedict.”
But let me ask another question. Is it true that for some people, the Latin Mass can be a “fad” they get into and later drop out of? As a matter of fact, the answer is “YES”—that does happen sometimes.
When I started offering the Tridentine Mass back in 1998, my bishop gave me a little bit of advice. He simply cautioned me that as beautiful as the Ancient Liturgy is, its purpose is to lead us to holiness and challenge us to get involved as Christians in our parishes and to let the Mass permeate our lives.
Good advice, no? The bishop warned, “If you don’t guide people well, some will think that the older Latin Mass is there to just mystify you with bells and smells, the rattling off of the ancient Latin words, with silence and reverence, and with the whole awe of seeing so many hard-core Catholics gathered in one place.”
Then you get in your car and forget about your faith until next Sunday. And when the excitement of the Latin wears off, or the traditional rules become too strict or people make fun of you, then you run off and go back to your “normal life.” The bishop was clear that this is merely a danger for a minority, but that this could be avoided if the priest was attentive to the congregation.
The Latin Mass faithful, the bishop said, needed to organize their catechism teaching, traditional parish societies, and outreach activities like pro-life and St. Vincent de Paul.
To be honest, I wonder if this Czech bishop did not ask Pope Francis what to do with some of his Latin Mass followers. And being a good pastor, as my bishop was back then before he died, I can see the Pope giving the same warning.
In other words, I can see the Pope saying, “There are all sorts of people who start attending Extraordinary Form Mass in Latin. Some are hard core believers and very dedicated. But sometimes, especially with young people, they can be more faddish. They get into chapel veils and Latin and traditional Catholicism until a certain point and then later go back to the Novus Ordo or just fall away.”
Maybe the Czech bishop asked the Pope, “If that is the way it’s going to be, maybe I should just drop Latin Mass?” It is at this point that the Pope would have interjected some pastoral advice along the lines of “Don’t just drop people because you get upset with the Latin Mass Catholics who are more like a faddish group. This is a problem which you don’t need to focus on. Don’t pay such serious attention to it. Just minister to your people and don’t get bogged down with those Latin Mass Catholics who are not serious about the liturgy.”
This is pretty similar to my conversion over 14 years ago, and it was excellent advice. If a priest gets into Latin Mass ministry, and gets discouraged because some Latin Massers are not really dedicated to the Latin Mass apostolate, but just use it for their convenience—well, don’t let that get to you! Keep on working with them and do your best. That is the sound advice of an experienced shepherd.
I have a feeling that Pope Francis’ comments were along this line. It simply is not his personality, at all, to make fun of groups of people and stereotype all of them and dismiss them. I give him the benefit of the doubt. I give my own dad the benefit of the doubt when he says things I don’t understand at first.
I don’t see why a good man, with a good heart, like Pope Francis, should also not get the benefit of the doubt. He has not abolish Summorum Pontificum and has not even hinted to his bishops that they need to curtail Latin Masses. I think we need to give him the benefit of the doubt.
This video has been up for a few weeks. I don’t know exactly how accurate it is but the witness that the Church gives towards the end is incredible.
"For if poverty is the truth about human existence, in which all things are given, then the motions and meanings of religion are the proper, intelligible and honest response to the fact of waking up human. Surely we recognize that the universal postures of prayer are identical with those of the homeless man who begs by the gas station? Kneeling, pleading with fingers interwoven, imploring with hands folded, bowing, weeping, rocking, extending open palms — this is the dialect of the poor and the faithful, the common ground between the wealthy churchgoer and the beggar outside the door…."
When debating morality and the like, strive to keep charity in all things you say. Sometimes the person you are arguing with is hurt by whatever it is you are debating. Shoving facts down their throat will only make the wound worse. Don’t forget that while Christ preached hard truths, He was also aware of who His audience is.
What if you had one chance at true love. Just one. All you’d have to do to get a blissfully happy ending is to say “yes.” But: once you say yes, before you can get to that happy ending, you have to have your heart completely and utterly broken. And knowing about your ultimate happy ending wouldn’t make it seem any better, and you’d just have to endure the crisis for as long as it lasted. But once you got through it, you could have the kind of love that surpasses all things. Would you say yes?
Free will is the only thing that makes love possible. God created us as free beings, not automatons or puppets. He wanted a relationship. And with the possibility of saying “yes,” there is always the chance of saying “no.” Of doing evil instead of good. The possibility of evil is the price we pay to be free, to be capable of love. So yes, he knew that some would choose not to love, but also that many, many people would. And that they would help people victimized by evil choices.
Is true love worth suffering? God thinks so. He thinks so so much that he became human in order to suffer with us. To tell us that our suffering is finite, but that we have the option to choose infinite love. Eternal happiness. Not just in heaven, but to live it on earth in how we treat each other. God created us free, with the possibility of doing good or evil, so that love could exist. And he’s so committed to bringing everyone together in love that he suffers the evil with us, helps us survive it, shows us how to heal the wounds it causes.
Our ability to choose is God’s love letter to us. Without it, no, there’s no evil; but there’s not anything else, either.
I can, and do, take any or all of the steps above to try to have the best experience of the Mass possible for myself and my family. But, now, I take those steps calmly, prayerfully, and charitably.
I love the “both/and” of this post. These issues matter. We’re right to care. And we have to deal with it charitably, in ways that work for us. There are a variety of valid methods, and different people are called to different ones. The common denominators are our zeal for truth, keeping peace in our hearts, and acting charitably.